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Post by Sarveswara on Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:26 am

I am so honord and happy to be of service to you my dear Mystic hug , and I thank you for being the instrument of my purpose. Thank you GOD. aum

I am very happy that a little of what I have said has helped in your surrender to the moment of enlightenment. "Thank you God", aum for using me as your divine instrument.

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Post by Light Mystic on Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:04 am

Thank you for your response. That certainly makes sense with my experience. The shift in perspective happened all at once, but my mind was still used to viewing life from a limited perspective. This caused some pain and confusion until I finally realized (and you helped) what was happening. This allowed me to let my mind gently dissolve, letting any old ideas fade, as they are not Truth, and not longer apply to my experience of life.

This is a major process, but seems to be happening very quickly. Realizing what is happening lets me simply let go and let the overwhelming Divinity pour in. The process is now no longer painful, but very exciting, fun, and enjoyable. Thank you for your perspective, your guidance has been (and I'm sure will continue to be) an immense help.

There's is still plenty of unwinding to go, but I am finally fully content with my experience, because the understanding is now there and I can safely let go and enjoy, instead of trying to be involved in the process anymore in any way. It's interesting, because from this perspective, the overwhelm and discomfort are not significations of anything wrong, just that I've reached my limit of experience, and get to expand my limit by letting go even further. The excitement about the future is an interesting juxtaposition with the full contentment now. Thank you Sarveswara. Thank you God.

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Post by Sarveswara on Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:50 pm

My Dear Light Mysic hug

After reading and assimilating all you have said I feel confident in saying that you are simply still between process of heart and mind uniting in the fullness of unison. As much as you feel the process is done and is complete, it is still in the assimilating stage where the heart and mind are merging together as ‘one’ thought.

‘One’ thought, meaning thought is united by all as ‘one’ with no separation and cannot feel the pain of separation that was, but can still remember the separation that was with no pain. It will also see and feel the separation of those that are still not of the ‘One’ thought, but will in itself still maintain the union with them in their unawareness.

The feeling of separateness will indeed dissipate once heart and mind have aligned and merged completely. At present you are still feeling and experiencing enlightenment as you know it, and yet Mind still has its own thoughts, with doses of divine love interaction, this causing the feeling of separation until the process finishes the fine tuning that is happening and becomes unremitting divine love.

We must be prepared at a rate that is acceptable to our individual needs to house this constant stream of divine love within the human body, the process has to come in small doses of this love which become larger doses as the process takes action, until we are able to retain the whole energy and become ONE in that final mergence. Once heart and mind are merged as one, the thoughts will always be from the source of divine love. Hence confusion will not exist within the mind once it is running on pure divine love, it simply cannot.

I hope this helps to lesson the confusion anxiety that causes the pain of seperation. hug

I want to also share with you that the battle of mind and ego is hard enough for the average person let alone one with such an analytical mind such as yours and mine. I finally learnt not to over analyse, which is so tempting and easily natural to do, as this would take me in circles instead of cycles. Still it was all part of the process for me, and timed my process perfectly, naturally, lol.

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Post by Light Mystic on Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:54 pm

Thank you for your reply. BTW, posting these publicly is fine with me, I just wasn't aware that it was not only appropriate, but encouraged. I like what you are saying and it is obviously coming from a clear understanding of Truth. Nonetheless, there is a fundamental point that I'm a bit unsure about.

Firstly, it really sounds to me like you are suggesting that there cannot be a unified awareness and still confusion about the existence of time and space. The truth is, that is basically what I believed too for the longest time, but for some reason it is not my experience thus far. I really do feel the unification with everything all the time. I really am enjoying everything deeply, and I really am having the full experience of what people call Enlightenment from my understanding of the word. Except for this confusion, I am completely here now and enjoying it. There is no time or space other than defining them conceptually, and there is a great peace within. If I could ever be done, I was done. There is no feeling of me as a separate entity, and that is partially why this is so confusing for me.

If Enlightenment is not this and is really something else, I'm okay with that. I don't mind having clearer experience of the Truth, and have no need to classify myself as "Enlightened" per say, but it is very clear that there is no one to "get Enlightened" in a certain sense, and so nothing really to do, fundamentally speaking. There is no longer any stock being put in any feeling of separateness in a specific sense, and they are fading. That process is perceived as perfection as well.

That said, there is this feeling of total clarity of the Nature of Reality, and, for some reason, there still appears to be as if a "gap" between that understanding and my clear experience.

For example, I can see that not only is everything unified in the Infinite, but the concrete appearance of separations are themselves eternally infinite. They, themselves, are absolute, which gives them a tangibility and an infiniteness they've never had before. The whole universe, like a divine social structure is becoming just as physical as the gross relative. This is all happening within the context of day to day oneness, but it is as if a further understanding of what I have already been seeing.

I guess it's simply a feeling of separation in my heart that seems to be there in addition to my clarity and joy of experience. And it is true that it seems that the understanding that I'm missing is that there is no understanding missing. This heart pain is feeling of separation that doesn't really meld with the universal oneness experience, yet both go on simultaneously. It's strange because even that separation experience itself seems in some way connected to the oneness of everything else (as nothing is excluded from it), but it is still deeply uncomfortable. It really feels sad and separate because, on some level I am having this joyous experience, but the heart pain keeps me from getting the full enjoyment of that. I am ready to let the heart pain go, but I believe that understanding will help that happen.

You say that you cannot really have the understanding, and must, therefore, be ego-bound as long as there are still questions of some sort, but that just doesn't match wtih any of my experience. There really is no separation anymore (fundamentally speaking), and there is joy, perfection, and inifiniteness as my everyday experience all the time, and there is also fully this heart pain feeling of total separateness that is very sad. The separatness doesn't appear to be separate FROM anything in particular, it's just a general, but powerfully overwhelming feeling. I still understand that lack of clarity as part of the Wholeness, but I'm ready to let it go, and understanding of what it is nearly always enough for me to let go for some reason. The mind can happily let go even of itself if the reasons to do that are clear and the underlying feelings are addressed. That is how I seem to work for some reason. Anyway, I would very much enjoy hearing your response. Thank you for addressing my questions.

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Post by Light Mystic on Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:25 pm

Note: This was posted as a private message, but is now being made public, so that anyone can be involved in the discussion as it continues.

Light Mystic
Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:47 amMy dear Sarveswara,

I had some thoughts on Enlightenment, because the whole thing is rather
new, and as progress appears to unfold my experience changes. I wanted
to talk to you about this because your perspective seems to be that
when you are done that is it. It is the end and your experience does
not change much. It is interesting because even after I was "done" as such, it seemed there
were some deeply ingrained residual "programs" that were unwinding. I
was not attached to them as such, they just hadn't quite had the time
to unwind yet. At the time of Awakening, the whole process had begun to be quite automatic (now that I think
about it), although it was very confusing because this was against
everything I had believed in. In the sense that I appear as an
individual, it doesn't mean that that individual is passive, it's just
that that individual is not more me than anything else. It's all me.
That individual is still releasing issues and having experience
changes, though, and this can be confusing because I'm supposed to be
"done." As the cosmic being, which is who I am, I was never not done.
As an individual, I suppose I am done because I know I am truly the
cosmic being, or even just the Infinite, even beyond any sort of
individualized being. It doesn't NOT feel like a being though because
it so personal. Anyway, do you think what is happening is that the
experience has dawned and now my emotions are catching up to the
understanding?

I can never go back. I can never see the world as Real in any sense
other than just arbitrarily defined concepts, and my experience really
has been tangible, unchanging, and authentic is many, many respects.
Nonetheless, there are still these old ideas of love and connectedness
and whatever that are still leaving, and rather quickly at that. In
fact, most of the issues that I thought I would have to let go of to be
here are actually coming out now that I am here. Is that possible? Does
that make sense? Could it be because of my age, that my physical system
hasn't quite had the time to integrate these things and so it needs to
try a little harder to catch up? The experiences have been really
intense, but they are still comfortable on some level because they are
exactly what I need. It's definately not a problem as such, but I would
be curious if you had any ideas about what is going on.

Just another thought, Several Enlightened people, who's experience I have read about, have
mentioned that being "done" can be disturbing at first, because it's so
different (which it certainly is very different from my perspective). Two of these people
mentioned that it took about 10 years to integrate. I don't know if it
will really take that long for me, but do you think integration is what is
going on for me?

Anyway, if you can, I would really enjoy hearing from you, as clearing this up would certainly help. Thanks.

Light Mystic



Sarveswara Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:41 pm Ahhh… so wonderful and refreshing to hear from you once again my dear Light Mystic; hug and such wonderful questions, perfect for discussion.

What
a shame this was not posted in the Q & A Board in the General Forum
so that all members had opportunity to comment and join in this
particular conversation. Please feel free to copy and paste this
conversation in that board if you so choose.


Perhaps
in future you would please post these questions on the questions and
answer board so that all our members can gain their own sense of
understanding from the question and answers that they read there, it
will also give the others a chance to come into these wonderful
discussions you bring forth. This is part of what the site’s purpose is
designed for. This is where the help and support can come into play,
and the learning and teaching, and the love and fun fill the boards.



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I
must admit I was amused by the word “done” at first; which you use as
explanation of ending the awakening and then questioning what comes
after enlightenment. I see a cartoon character in my minds eye of a
turkey roasting over a spit feeling the heat of the fire, getting
prodded and poked now and then to see what how the progress is, until
we are “done”. Lol. I hope I come out tender, teehee. It sort of gives
a new dimension into the saying, “you turkey!” … ha-ha, Just thought I
would share my silly sense of humour with you first.


Naturally I can only share with you my views from my own experience and process of “done-ness”.

The
process of enlightenment is as individual & unique as each being is
… therefore my process or another’s process is not going to be the same
as yours, but the “outcome” is the unifying factor and we shall all
become merged into the whole process of oneness, uniting all as “d -
one”. Lol, just a play on words, I tend to find playfully, yet
uncannily symbolic.


For
me in my stage of enlightenment I believe “done” to be just an
expression and not an ending of happening once the enlightenment is. Im
my view there is no ending to the enlightenment itself in the sense
that once you are awake, you continue to “be” eternally, which cannot
be boring due to the fact that living in the NOW has the being in a
mindless state of acceptance, which can only be understood from that
experience alone. Change still happens constantly, around the being
that now exists within the stillness integrated with the source of LOVE.


The
“thoughts” stop, in the sense the questions cease to be, as “awareness”
has all answers that are needed “now” at any moment; e.g. when needed
to help explain beingness and the process of enlightenment to others
who question it.


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rest of the time spent in the now moment in beingness and doing-ness as
Gods will deems. The faith and trust that was a fight to obtain
throughout the thought process is now a knowing that unites with LOVE
and all is now divine LOVE, being.
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To
question beyond the point of NOW is questioning future and taking
oneself out of the NOW and out of the enlightened state of beingness.
This continues to happen as a process until one becomes so sick of the
thoughts that separate self from the now, that one finally surrenders
the process of thought over to their higher power for the final time,
and the process and timing is that which is Gods, and not the one who
is in surrender.


This
action of this surrender makes the thinker then “surrendered”, now the
“surrendered process”, is completed, “done”; NOW enlightened in a state
of knowing, with the essence of faith and trust, the thoughts will come
and go designed specifically for the now at the moment in time as it
arrises, as they are needed. One realises that consciously there is no
need to go past that thought. As all thoughts, all questions actually
cease to be. In the sense that they are now unnecessary for a state of
mind that has become merged into a mindless state of unifying love!


I
read somewhere, if you question yourself; “am I there or not”? then you
are not! I personally now understand this statement in the depth of my
own process of awakening. It is also written, that the enlightened
being does not either question his state of enlightenment or have need
to verbally express his state. HE JUST IS, I believe each one will
understand the truth of these words at their time of this said
enlightenment.


So
in answer to your question … I do not think being DONE represents the
end of experience with little change. Indeed I believe the opposite.
The end of one state of beingness gives birth to another state of
beingness, the awakened being does indeed see through the delusion of
“life”, and is unaffected by the drama it use to herald while in the
process of becoming awakened. Like you said … one cannot return to a
state of unknowing once one is aware of Truth, you simply cannot
un-know.


The
time of integration as you say, has nothing to do with age … the whole
process is timed perfectly for each individual, be it a fast as a click
of the fingers, through to many life times. There is no way any one of
us will know the moment of completion of the process into the fully
awakened being. No thing can make it happen any sooner, or quicker than
it is already destined by God to happen. No amount of extra work
towards it that you think you can do to hurry the process will work
either, as it will turn out that if you do put extra effort into the
focus of awakening, it was already written that was to be, but you will
still only ever awaken at the time God snaps his fingers for you. So
for some the process will take years and for another it could take
lifetimes and yet for another, it could happen right at this moment.
Integration will complete itself for each one, at the timed moment that
is Gods Will.


The
difference in being DONE from how you use to ‘be”,, cannot be
disturbing if you are indeed done. When you are ready, you are ready
and before you are ready you will feel the disturbance and you will
watch it fade, as the integration happens over the said period of time
that is for you.


That
is why it is personalised for each one of us at a different time of
integration to complete that process, for only God knows when we are
truly ready for this new way of being to be. Until then of course there
will be disturbance and questions; that is part of the process!


Oh
goodness I am delighted with answering your questions, and could
continue for so much longer. Luckily we are not in verbal conversation;
I think we would be ones to stay up all night just talking, lol.
Perhaps it best I leave it here, and give you time to digest and
comment and requestion if need be. I am eager to hear back from you my
friend.

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