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Post by Olga on Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:09 pm

For people like me it's very difficult to get involved in the worldly situation where we usually need to have a job to get money and effort ourselves/family. The idea that i "should" spend most of the days (unless it's in the night) with a job to get money and effort myself, annoys me a lot. This is not the kind of life that i want (beside my other difficulty(ies) ).

I had read about people who try to make another way of living that goes together with nature or at least a lot more than what we usually see. Then they want to make their own food and houses. Even if we would be interested in it, when it's in a foreign country, we eventually need a lot of visa's. It seems like an interesting subject to me, but yet i think it's better for me to go back to India. I got spiritual insights in the past and this is still bounded by Puttaparthi. Even when my faith eventually wavers badly, i may not feel so well if i would follow another path than the path that was shown to me throw spiritual insights. It's like something still has its continuation. The involved persons are living in India and so i wait till i'm able to go back. I don't feel really at home in Holland anyway, so a change need to come anyhow.

At the moment i'm getting income from government. Since May they put me in a "company" with other people that get income from government. Here we must do light production work (very boring) and eventually get support in our way to a job. We have no free choice in it. Probably most of the people are there for keeping the right on their income and some eventually with a salary from the company. If someone refuses to work there, he/she may lose his/her income. Normally people have to work there 4 to 5 days a week, but in my case it's only 2 days, yet it's 2 days too much for me. Now i have some weeks "vacation".

The question of the topic is: how are spiritual/highly developed people able to mix in a world that is (mostly) based on money, a world where we are forced to work, with or without our free will. I also wondered what Sarveswara's way is to pay or get her daily needs. I had read Akindra and/or her husband have a job for it.
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Post by Akindra on Wed Jul 08, 2009 11:20 am

I agree that working takes up alot of our time and may be against the way we wish to live with nature etc. Unfortunately it is the way of the world at the moment. I enjoy my job, but if I didn't need it I wouldn't do it.

Being paid by the government is questionable in "society's" view - because workers are paying so much tax to pay people who aren't working. By the government getting you to work, you are effectively "giving back" to society for the help they give you to live.

There are movements working towards getting rid of the "monetary" system in the world, whether it will ever eventuate - I don't know. Interesting concept.

See: http://www.thevenusproject.com/

I also agree - no matter how much I want to be able to go and live in nature in a commune etc - I couldn't do it - it would take alot of money to get started!!!

Have you decided when you are to go back to India?

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Post by Light Mystic on Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:26 pm

I like my job! Even if it's not always fun, it's always the opportunity to move forward in my growth. Life seems to always provide that.

What is it you don't want and why? Why don't you want a job? What would you spend all your time doing if you didn't need to work? Looking into that might be a good clue into what you could do that you would like and get paid for it.

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Post by Olga on Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:38 pm

Akindra wrote:I agree that working takes up alot of our time and may be against the way we wish to live with nature etc. Unfortunately it is the way of the world at the moment. I enjoy my job, but if I didn't need it I wouldn't do it.

Being paid by the government is questionable in "society's" view - because workers are paying so much tax to pay people who aren't working. By the government getting you to work, you are effectively "giving back" to society for the help they give you to live.

There are movements working towards getting rid of the "monetary" system in the world, whether it will ever eventuate - I don't know. Interesting concept.

See: http://www.thevenusproject.com/

I also agree - no matter how much I want to be able to go and live in nature in a commune etc - I couldn't do it - it would take alot of money to get started!!!

Have you decided when you are to go back to India?

I don't know if it takes money (if you would do everything by yourself/family/friends/..) and how much money it takes when you let some things be done by someone else (a professional+good material), but you can eventually do a search on perma culture and see if there are more possibilities then thinking that it will take a lot of money. Maybe later i post more links about this in another topic. I just opened the link that you gave. This (first page of the site) is not what i have seen on another site(s). I think it can be easier to reach the goal then what this venus project shows on the home-page. I may show you examples later in another topic.

I am not able to go back to India, as i don't have enough money for a long time (i want to have enough for at least one year, if i go). If i would have the money, i may go in August or September. I'm planning to find a house in Holland, as the home situation here is not good for me. If it's meant to go to India, i will be stopped or go later. So i want to try to find a house with a floor in it, so that i have less work to do and less money to spend. I also would try to keep my property to a limit, so that it's easier to get rid of it if i leave later. Besides, i don't need a bank, television, for example, anyway.
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Post by Olga on Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:26 pm

Light Mystic wrote:I like my job! Even if it's not always fun, it's always the opportunity to move forward in my growth. Life seems to always provide that.

What is it you don't want and why? Why don't you want a job? What would you spend all your time doing if you didn't need to work? Looking into that might be a good clue into what you could do that you would like and get paid for it.

There's no job that can really bind (if i spell correct) me. Over the years, i have looked at several kinds of education or jobs, but finally it's nothing for me. A job is an obligation, not truly a free will or maybe partial. When you can't follow your heart in what you want, it's not nice. Let's say i could like writing on my laptop, writing about my (spiritual) experiences, then you may say i can become a writer and publish it as a book, but what i'm writing is not for getting money. It's for personal use and eventually for spreading it later, if that's the meaning, but not to get money for.

Actually, i have been looking for a job recently, so that i can spare money for India, but there don't seem to be suitable jobs for my level of education (low). They ask things like a drivers license or it's physical too heavy work or it's work with the involvement of meat, fish or eggs, while i'm vegetarian and don't want to work with that. I decided to quit my search (unless i change my mind), because beside this, i also have a (")problem(") with my body. I can get extremely quick distracted while moving with my body. This can also make it extra difficult to go to work. In the "company" i met someone who said she had the same earlier. It would vanish someday and then i would be stronger in my body (something like that), she said and also have chat about it earlier with Sarveswara. Another reason why i have difficulty with work is that i'm not a person who can keep fixed (sleeping) times.

What i do without work...nowadays i'm usually on internet, doing daily things, being upset or staying neutral and maybe soon i am able to go further with the documents on my laptop. If i don't move to another house in another province, then in August i have to go back to the company 2 days a week.
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Post by Light Mystic on Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:41 am

Sounds tough, but I suppose there's not a lot that can be done if you're sure you either don't want a job or can't have one.....

Perhaps, there's a work opportunity that's available, but you haven't given permission for it to be found yet? Sometimes it takes a certain level of openness to the possibility of working and find a job you like for the chance to be presented to you.

Just a thought....

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